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The Bible For Normal People
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A weekly podcast talk show having serious talks about the sacred book. Hosted by Peter Enns and Jared Byas.

Episodes
  • 2024 / 11 / 4
    [Bible] Episode 285: Pete Enns & the Old Testament Nerds - Ask a Scholar Anything (About the Hebrew Bible)

    Does the Hebrew Bible matter for Christians? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete is joined by Nerds-in-Residence Anna Sieges-Beal, Aaron Higashi, and Cynthia Shafer-Elliott to answer your...

  • 2024 / 11 / 4
    Episode 285: Pete Enns & the Old Testament Nerds - Ask a Scholar Anything (About the Hebrew Bible)

    Does the Hebrew Bible matter for Christians? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete is joined by Nerds-in-Residence Anna Sieges-Beal, Aaron Higashi, and Cynthia Shafer-Elliott to answer your...

  • 2024 / 10 / 28
    [Faith] Episode 48: Bishop Michael Curry - Love Makes Room for Us All (REISSUE)

    What parts of our faith are worth holding onto? In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Presiding Bishop Michael Curry joins Pete and Jared to discuss ways to think differently about scripture and the...

  • 2024 / 10 / 21
    [Bible] Episode 284: Jennifer G. Bird - The Myth of Biblical Marriage

    Should Christians use the Bible as a template for a healthy marriage? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Dr. Jennifer Bird joins Jared and Angela Parker to bust the myth of “biblical” marriage....

  • 2024 / 10 / 14
    [Faith] Episode 47: Lee C. Camp - America Can Never Be a Christian Nation

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Lee Camp joins Pete and Jared to discuss the relationship between Christianity and politics, challenging the idea that Christianity is apolitical by arguing that...

  • 2024 / 10 / 7
    [Bible] Episode 283: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 3)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete dives into the story of Abraham in Genesis. Pete explores Abraham’s importance as a pivotal figure in the Bible, detailing his journey, covenants with God,...

  • 2024 / 9 / 30
    [Faith] Episode 46: Elizabeth Orr - A Path to Self-Compassion with the Enneagram

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Elizabeth Orr joins Pete and Jared to discuss the Enneagram and its role in fostering self-compassion and personal growth. Together they highlight how understanding...

  • 2024 / 9 / 24
    [Bible] Bonus Episode: Jon D. Levenson - Child Sacrifice in the Bible (Part 2)

    In this bonus episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared continue their conversation with Jon D. Levenson about the theme of child sacrifice in the Bible, focusing on how the idea evolved from...

  • 2024 / 9 / 23
    [Bible] Episode 282: Jon D. Levenson - Child Sacrifice in the Bible (Part 1)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Jon D. Levenson to discuss the complex and ancient practice of child sacrifice, focusing on biblical and ancient Near Eastern...

  • 2024 / 9 / 16
    [Faith] Episode 45: Valarie Kaur - Wisdom & Love in the Sikh Tradition

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with Valarie Kaur, a renowned Sikh activist, lawyer, and author, about the Sikh tradition and her philosophy of Revolutionary Love. Together...

  • 2024 / 9 / 9
    [Bible] Episode 281: Madhavi Nevader - Biblical Models of Political Power

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Aaron Higashi talk to Madhavi Nevader about the rise and fall of monarchy in ancient Israel and its representation in the Bible. Together they explore...

  • 2024 / 9 / 2
    [Bible] Episode 280: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 2)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete continues his exploration of the Book of Genesis, diving into Genesis 5-11 by examining the complexities of the genealogies and the flood narrative,...

  • 2024 / 8 / 26
    [Bible] Episode 279: Greg Carey - Apocalyptic Imagination in the Bible

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Greg Carey to explore the concept of apocalyptic literature within the Bible and its broader implications. Greg delves into the...

  • 2024 / 8 / 19
    [Faith] Episode 44: J. Aaron Simmons - Søren Kierkegaard & Faith Beyond Christendom

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared and J. Aaron Simmons delve into the philosopher Søren Kierkegaard’s radical critique of Christendom, explaining why he thought institutionalized religion had...

  • 2024 / 8 / 12
    [Bible] Episode 278: Amy-Jill Levine - Who Are the Pharisees Actually?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with Amy-Jill Levine about misconceptions surrounding the Pharisees and how to understand them in their context. The conversation delves...

  • 2024 / 8 / 5
    [Faith] Episode 43: Yolanda Pierce - Nobody's Doing Theology from the Moon

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared and Angela Parker talk to Yolanda Pierce about the different paths of deconstruction, how womanist and intersectional theology provides plenty good room, and...

  • 2024 / 7 / 29
    [Bible] Episode 277: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 1)

    A tale as old as time…Pete is ruining the book of Genesis! In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete lovingly dissects Genesis 1-4 and the biblical story of “how things began.”  Show Notes...

  • 2024 / 7 / 22
    [Faith] Episode 42: David Dark - Doubt as a Holy Task

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete talks to David Dark about the necessity of doubt in the life of faith and the human experience. Show Notes → ********** This episode is sponsored by AG1. If...

  • 2024 / 7 / 15
    [Bible] Episode 276: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - The Difference Between Biblical Studies and Theology

    What makes biblical studies different from theology, and vice versa? Why does it matter? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared ruminate on the goals, methods, and focus of each...

  • 2024 / 7 / 8
    [Faith] Episode 41: Regina Shands Stoltzfus - A Nonviolent Faith

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared and Jennifer Garcia Bashaw talk with Regina Shands Stoltzfus about the intersection of faith and nonviolence, how theology taught in church moves us to...

  • 2024 / 7 / 1
    [Bible] Episode 275: J. Christopher Edwards - How the Gospel Writers Invented Jesus's Jewish Executioners

    Who was really responsible for the execution of Jesus—Roman soldiers or Jewish leaders? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, J. Christopher Edwards joins Pete and Jared to explore early Christian...

  • 2024 / 6 / 24
    [Bible] Episode 274: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Nehemiah

    What does Nehemiah have to teach us about the challenge of hermeneutics and theology today? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete ruins the book of Nehemiah by illuminating the key concepts,...

  • 2024 / 6 / 17
    [Bible] Episode 273: Jennifer Garcia Bashaw - What Did the Crucifixion Do? (REISSUE)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jennifer Garcia Bashaw joins Pete and Jared to discuss how various atonement theories attempt to explain Jesus’s death. This is a reissue of The Bible for...

  • 2024 / 6 / 10
    [Faith] Episode 40: Anna Case-Winters - What Does It Mean for God to Be with Us?

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Anna Sieges Beal talk to Anna Case-Winters about incarnation and crucifixion, the coexistence of humanity and divinity in Jesus, and how process theology...

  • 2024 / 6 / 3
    [Bible] Episode 272: Hugo MĂ©ndez - Who Wrote John?

    Is the biblical author John the person we think he is? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Hugo MĂ©ndez joins Jared and Jennifer Garcia Bashaw to talk about some of the theories on the authorship...

  • 2024 / 5 / 27
    [Faith] Episode 39: Candice Czubernat - Religious Trauma & LGBTQ+ Christians

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared discuss religious trauma with Candice Czubernat, a therapist and founder of The Christian Closet. Together they identify religious trauma, examine...

  • 2024 / 5 / 20
    [Bible] Episode 271: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Ezra

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete ruins the book of Ezra by examining the themes, characters, issues, and connections found within the text; diving into the Moses-like leadership of Ezra,...

  • 2024 / 5 / 13
    [Faith] Episode 38: Tamice Spencer-Helms - Grounding Our Faith in Our Experiences

    Tamice Spencer-Helms joins Jared in this episode of Faith for Normal People for a conversation about the integration of faith and identity. Tamice shares their journey of navigating life as a queer and Black...

  • 2024 / 5 / 6
    [Bible] Episode 270: Charles Halton - Is God More Humanlike Than We Thought?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Charles Halton joins Pete and Jared to discuss how the Bible portrays God as being humanlike, the origin of resistance to seeing humanlike characteristics of...

  • 2024 / 4 / 29
    [Faith] Episode 37: Sarah Bessey - It’s Okay to Deconstruct

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared and Pete have a candid conversation with Sarah Bessey about the highs and lows of her own evolving faith journey and how we can learn to embrace the...

  • 2024 / 4 / 22
    [Bible] Episode 269: Jack Levison - The Greek Life of Adam & Eve

    Cain is a cannibal, Eve tells her own version of the fall of man, and the Garden of Eden has a dividing wall? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk to Jack Levison about the...

  • 2024 / 4 / 15
    [Bible] Episode 268: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Chronicles

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete makes the case for why you shouldn’t skip 1 and 2 Chronicles after slogging through Samuel and Kings. He explores the Chronicler’s distinct theology,...

  • 2024 / 4 / 8
    [Bible] Episode 267: Jamal-Dominique Hopkins - Sacrifice in the Dead Sea Scrolls

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and co-host Cynthia Shafer-Elliott learn from Jamal-Dominique Hopkins about the history of sacrifice in the Qumran community and the significance of the...

  • 2024 / 4 / 1
    [Faith] Episode 36: J.S. Park - Sitting with the Dying

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared talks with J.S. (Joon) Park about his experiences with death, grief, and loss as a hospital chaplain for a Level 1 Trauma Center. Together they discuss the...

  • 2024 / 3 / 25
    [Bible] Episode 266: Candida Moss - Enslaved People & the Making of the Bible

    Whose contributions to the production of the Bible have been historically overlooked? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared have a fascinating conversation with Candida Moss about...

  • 2024 / 3 / 18
    [Faith] Episode 35: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Navigating Through Black-and-White Thinking

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared tackle your questions about faith, identifying a common theme of the tendency toward dualism and binary thinking and exploring how to think more...

  • 2024 / 3 / 11
    [Bible] Episode 265: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins 2 Kings

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete is back to his usual antics ruining a book of the Bible. This time he’s conquering 2 Kings, uncovering the historical context, socio-political influences,...

  • 2024 / 3 / 4
    [Faith] Episode 34: Grace Semler Baldridge - Faith Is a Moving Target

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Grace Baldridge (known by the artist name Semler) joins Pete and Jared to talk about the moving target of faith, whether leaving church is leaving God, and Grace’s...

  • 2024 / 2 / 26
    [Bible] Episode 264: Aaron Higashi - Five Things You Need to Know About 1 & 2 Samuel

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Aaron Higashi joins Pete to talk about five key points in understanding 1 & 2 Samuel—and why our reading of this biblical tragedy doesn’t have to be...

  • 2024 / 2 / 19
    [Faith] Episode 33: Pete Holmes - A God That’s Better Than Larry

    We’re back for our second season of Faith for Normal People! Comedian Pete Holmes joins Pete and Jared to contemplate oneness with God, what it means to identify as a Christian, the parable of the prodigal...

  • 2024 / 2 / 12
    [Bible] Episode 263: Bart Ehrman - The Gospels & Historical Reliability

    We’re back for our eighth season of the podcast! In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman joins Pete and Jared to discuss the historical reliability of the Gospels,...

  • 2023 / 12 / 25
    [Faith] Episode 32: A Holiday Roast

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays! Podcast producer Brittany and audio engineer/editor Stephen have joined forces to bring you a special blooper episode with behind-the-scenes clips from Season 7 of The...

  • 2023 / 12 / 18
    [Bible] Episode 262: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Pete & Jared Aren’t Trying to Ruin Christmas (This Time)

    Join us for the final episode of The Bible for Normal People Season 7 as Pete and Jared end the year on an easy note by tackling the cultural, historical, and societal context of the birth of Jesus as found...

  • 2023 / 12 / 11
    [Faith] Episode 31: Adil Hussain Khan - Islam & Interreligious Dialogue

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Adil Hussain Khan to talk about the story of Abraham in the Islamic tradition, how Islam differs from Judaism and Christianity, and...

  • 2023 / 12 / 4
    [Bible] Episode 261: Ekaputra Tupamahu - Speaking in Tongues

    Is the phenomenon of speaking in tongues purely ecstatic or purely linguistic? Join Pete and Jared in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as guest Ekaputra Tupamahu analyzes the history and...

  • 2023 / 11 / 27
    [Faith] Episode 30: Pádraig Ó Tuama - A Poetic Look at the Bible

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, hosts Pete Enns and Jared Byas speak with Irish poet and theologian Pádraig Ó Tuama, delving into the appreciation and understanding of the Bible through the lens...

  • 2023 / 11 / 20
    [Bible] Episode 260: Jacob L. Wright - Why the Bible Came to Be

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jacob L. Wright joins Pete and Jared to discuss the origins of the Hebrew Bible, moving beyond just the “how” and asking the deeper question of “why” the Bible...

  • 2023 / 11 / 13
    [Faith] Episode 29: Grace Ji-Sun Kim - A Theology of Visibility

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Anna talk to Grace Ji-Sun Kim about how theology impacts marginalized communities, what intersectionality means, and how theology and biography are...

  • 2023 / 11 / 6
    [Bible] Episode 259: Robyn Whitaker - The Book of Revelation

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Robyn Whitaker to discuss the themes, movements, and symbolism found within the book of Revelation, as well as the various ways the...

  • 2023 / 10 / 30
    [Faith] Episode 28: Thomas Jay Oord - The Problem of Evil (Part 2)

    In part two of our series on the problem of evil, Jared and Pete talk with Tom Oord about why people struggle to reconcile evil and suffering with a good God, theological solutions to the problem throughout...

  • 2023 / 10 / 23
    [Bible] Episode 258: Marc Brettler & Alan Lenzi - The Problem of Evil (Part 1)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Marc Brettler and Alan Lenzi join Pete and Jared to discuss the context of evil in the Bible and other ancient Mesopotamian texts, giving insight into how...

  • 2023 / 10 / 16
    [Faith] Episode 27: Christin Fort - Attachment Theory & God

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Christin Fort and Jared discuss how attachment theory plays into our perceptions of God, the impact of theology on mental health, and how understanding ourselves...

  • 2023 / 10 / 9
    [Bible] Episode 257: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins 1 Kings

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, our resident destroyer Pete is on a mission to ruin the book of 1 Kings by delving into the historical context and narrative themes of this ancient text which...

  • 2023 / 10 / 2
    [Faith] Episode 26: Matthias Roberts - Psychology, Religious Trauma, & Reconstructing Faith

    Matthias Roberts joins Jared and Angela Parker in this episode of Faith for Normal People to talk about his work as a psychotherapist, the path to healing from religious trauma, and what faith after religious...

  • 2023 / 9 / 25
    [Bible] Episode 256: Barbara Leung Lai - The Inner Life of Biblical Characters

    Nerd alert—we’re diving into biblical studies in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as Pete and Jared talk with Barbara Leung Lai about her work studying the inner life of characters in the Hebrew...

  • 2023 / 9 / 18
    [Faith] Episode 25: Eddie Howells - Christian Mysticism Is Actually a Thing

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Eddie Howells joins Pete and Jennifer for an enlightening conversation on the history and theology of Christian mysticism, talking about three strands of its...

  • 2023 / 9 / 11
    [Bible] Episode 255: John Dominic Crossan - The Other Gospels

    Pete and Jared are joined by renowned scholar John Dominic “Dom” Crossan in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as they take a tour of the gospels that didn’t make the cut for the New Testament....

  • 2023 / 9 / 4
    [Faith] Episode 24: Cole Arthur Riley - The Body of Faith

    Cole Arthur Riley joins Jared on this episode of Faith for Normal People to talk about the harm done by disembodied theology, the value of intergenerational spirituality, the hard work of remembering well,...

  • 2023 / 8 / 28
    [Bible] Episode 254: Richard Kalmin - The Talmud

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with Richard Kalmin about the origins and history of the Talmud, why it was written, and how the text has functioned not just within Jewish...

  • 2023 / 8 / 21
    [Faith] Episode 23: Felipe Hinojosa - Latino Church History is American Church History

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Felipe Hinojosa joins Pete and Jared to talk about the history of the Latino Mennonite tradition in the United States, Latino political and religious resistance,...

  • 2023 / 8 / 14
    [Bible] Episode 253: Rev. Dr. Judy Fentress-Williams - The Book of Ruth

    We’re uncovering more than Boaz’s feet in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as Judy Fentress-Williams joins Pete and Jared to take a historical-critical look at the symbolism, cultural context, and...

  • 2023 / 8 / 7
    [Faith] Episode 22: Lisa Fullam - Making Decisions the Ignatian Way

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, moral theologian Lisa Fullam joins Jared to explore virtue ethics, Ignatian spirituality, matters of conscience, and practical methods for moral decision...

  • 2023 / 7 / 31
    [Bible] Episode 252: Steed Davidson - The Bible’s Ambivalence Toward Empire

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Steed Davidson joins Pete and Jared to explain the origin of postcolonial biblical studies, the outcome of reading Scripture through a postcolonial lens, and...

  • 2023 / 7 / 24
    [Faith] Episode 21: Hans Halvorson - God & The Cosmos

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Hans Halvorson ponder the origins of the universe, quantum theory, entanglement, the existence of God, and the tension (or lack thereof) between science...

  • 2023 / 7 / 17
    [Bible] Episode 251: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins 2 Samuel

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, we continue on the ruinous journey through the Deuteronomistic History as our troop leader Pete fearlessly guides us through the book of 2 Samuel. Show Notes...

  • 2023 / 7 / 10
    [Faith] Episode 20: Jared Byas - The Revelations of Jared Byas

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared continues his journey of vulnerability and shares how his self-perception, desire for belonging, and struggle with his childhood traditions molded his faith...

  • 2023 / 7 / 3
    [Bible] Episode 250: Safwat Marzouk - The Bizarre Book of Ezekiel

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Safwat Marzouk joins Pete and Jared for a deep dive into the book of Ezekiel, exploring its historical and geopolitical context, the dual callings of Ezekiel as...

  • 2023 / 6 / 26
    [Faith] Episode 19: Sarah Lane Ritchie - Belief & the Brain

    Can science explain our personal religious experiences? In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Sarah Lane Ritchie to talk about the advancements and limits of cognitive...

  • 2023 / 6 / 19
    [Bible] Episode 249: Shannon T.L. Kearns - Reading Scripture as a Transgender Christian

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared talks with Father Shannon T.L. Kearns, cofounder of Queer Theology, about engaging with Scripture as a transgender Christian, finding a better way to...

  • 2023 / 6 / 12
    [Faith] Episode 18: David Bentley Hart - What’s the Deal with the Creeds?

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and David Bentley Hart journey through an abridged history of the origin of the Christian creeds and discuss the purpose the creeds have served in the story of...

  • 2023 / 6 / 5
    [Bible] Episode 248: Cheryl B. Anderson - The Ethical Impact of Biblical Interpretation (REISSUE)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Cheryl B. Anderson joins Pete and Jared to discuss ethics, law, and how we read the Bible. This is a reissue of The Bible for Normal People Episode 173 from...

  • 2023 / 6 / 1
    [Faith] Episode 17: Ally Henny - Finding Your Voice in the Face of Injustice

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Ally Henny joins Jared to talk about the history of using her voice, what it means to embrace your Holy Hell No, and how speaking the truth can set you free in a...

  • 2023 / 5 / 29
    [Bible] Episode 247: Jared Byas - What It Means to Take the Bible Literally

    What do people mean when they say they take the Bible literally? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared breaks down how words in this common phrase are overworked and underpaid, how it...

  • 2023 / 5 / 25
    [Faith] Episode 16: Brian McLaren - The Four Stages of Faith (REISSUE)

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared sit down with Brian McLaren to discuss stages of faith, the prevalence of doubt, and what paths to faith after doubt might look like. This is a...

  • 2023 / 5 / 22
    [Bible] Episode 246: Amy Kalmanofsky - Dangerous Sisters in the Hebrew Bible

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared and Pete are joined by Amy Kalmanofsky to reveal the narrative role of sisters in the Hebrew Bible, explain three categories of sister relationships, and...

  • 2023 / 5 / 18
    [Faith] Episode 15: Dale C. Allison Jr. - Encountering Mystery

    Dale C. Allison Jr. joins Pete in this episode of Faith for Normal People to talk about his own mysterious divine encounters, how testimony can become data, and why it’s important to acknowledge the limits of...

  • 2023 / 5 / 15
    [Bible] Episode 245: Elizabeth Schrader Polczer - Resurrecting Mary the Tower

    Everything you thought you knew about Mary Magdalene is questioned in this episode of The Bible for Normal People, in which Elizabeth Schrader Polczer joins Pete and Jared to discuss textual criticism, the...

  • 2023 / 5 / 11
    [Faith] Episode 14: Danté Stewart - The Power of Black Literature

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Danté Stewart joins Pete and Jared to share how reading the works of Black authors shaped his spiritual journey and how viewing Black literature as sacred can make...

  • 2023 / 5 / 8
    [Bible] Episode 244: Manuel Cruz - What It Means to Be Moral

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Manuel Cruz to discuss the philosophy of being moral, how morality intersects with the Christian spiritual life, and what we can...

  • 2023 / 5 / 4
    [Faith] Episode 13: Kaitlin Curtice - A Fresh Vision for the Spiritual Life

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Kaitlin Curtice joins Pete and Jared to talk about her new book Living Resistance and how a life of faith can thrive if we let go of the need for linear success and...

  • 2023 / 5 / 1
    [Bible] Episode 243: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Finding Wisdom in the Balance

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared answer questions from community members in The Society of Normal People, pulling on a common thread of how to move beyond dualism and find wisdom...

  • 2023 / 4 / 27
    [Faith] Episode 12: Erica Smith - Dropping Out of Purity Culture

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared and co-host Jennifer Garcia Bashaw talk with sex educator Erica Smith, M.Ed. about the harmful effects of purity culture and the work she does to empower...

  • 2023 / 4 / 24
    [Bible] Episode 242: Lisa Marie Bowens - The Cosmic Battle in 2 Corinthians

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Lisa Marie Bowens to peel back the layers within 2 Corinthians, examining the themes, rhetoric, and narrative purpose of the cosmic...

  • 2023 / 4 / 20
    [Faith] Episode 11: Rainn Wilson - Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution

    In this very special episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared are graced by the presence and wisdom of Rainn Wilson, whose new book Soul Boom prescribes a spiritual revolution to treat our...

  • 2023 / 4 / 17
    [Bible] Episode 241: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins 1 Samuel

    Murderous kings, political turmoil, and charismatic shepherds—oh my! In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete outlines the thematic underpinnings, historical context, and biblical scholarship...

  • 2023 / 4 / 13
    [Faith] Episode 10: D. Danyelle Thomas - Decolonizing Our Faith

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with D. Danyelle Thomas about how decolonizing Christianity is an act of love toward marginalized communities, and why deconstruction doesn’t go...

  • 2023 / 4 / 10
    [Bible] Episode 240: Dan McClellan - Why God Is Like a Hotdog

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared and Pete talk with Dan McClellan about divine agency in early Israelite thought, and how cognitive linguistics helps us to make sense of the complications...

  • 2023 / 4 / 6
    [Faith] Episode 9: Jared Byas - The Genesis of Jared Byas

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, our beloved co-host Jared Byas bestows upon us the rare gift of vulnerability as he shares his own story of shifting faith through childhood and young adulthood,...

  • 2023 / 4 / 3
    [Bible] Episode 239: Cameron B. R. Howard - How Is the Bible Authoritative?

    What does it mean for the Bible to be authoritative? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Cameron B. R. Howard joins Pete and Jared to discuss how tradition has impacted the idea of authority of...

  • 2023 / 3 / 30
    [Faith] Episode 8: Joseph Henrich - Is Christianity Weird?

    Cultural anthropologist Joseph Henrich joins Pete and Jared in this episode of Faith for Normal People to explain how the unique psychology of modern Western society was shaped by particular rules about...

  • 2023 / 3 / 27
    [Bible] Episode 238: Josh James - Psalms Isn't What You Think It Is

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Josh James to embark on an adventure through the Book of Psalms, unpacking the biblical scholarship surrounding this beloved,...

  • 2023 / 3 / 23
    [Faith] Episode 7: Robin Parry - The Historical Roots of Christian Universalism

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete hosts a conversation with Robin Parry about the historical roots, biblical references, and common misunderstandings related to universal salvation in the...

  • 2023 / 3 / 20
    [Bible] Episode 237: Sam Boyd - What the Tower of Babel Is Really About

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Sam Boyd joins Pete and Jared to uncover the misconceptions which are often read into the Tower of Babel story and get to the heart of the political and...

  • 2023 / 3 / 16
    [Faith] Episode 6: Jonathan Jong - Faith & the Fear of Death

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, social psychologist Jonathan Jong joins Pete and Jared to talk about the history and science behind death anxiety and how the reality of mortality impacts people...

  • 2023 / 3 / 13
    [Bible] Episode 236: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Should the Bible Be Read Like Any Other Book?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared consider how elevating the Bible to a special status can cheapen our experience of reading it as a multi-vocal anthology of literature. Show...

  • 2023 / 3 / 9
    [Faith] Episode 5: K.J. Ramsey - What If Our Bodies & Feelings Can Be Trusted?

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Jared talks with author and trauma-informed counselor K.J. Ramsey about the impact of trauma, finding hope through loss, and trusting the wisdom of our emotions and...

  • 2023 / 3 / 6
    [Bible] Episode 235: Aaron Koller - Biblicizing Esther

    Aaron Koller joins Pete and Jared in this episode of The Bible for Normal People to explore the book of Esther, discussing scholarly opinions of its historical accuracy, major themes within the narrative,...

  • 2023 / 3 / 2
    [Faith] Episode 4: Bekah McNeel - Parenting Through a Faith Transition

    Bekah McNeel joins Jared and co-host Jennifer Garcia Bashaw in this episode of Faith for Normal People to talk candidly about the challenges of parenting in the midst of a shifting faith—the good, the bad,...

  • 2023 / 2 / 27
    [Bible] Episode 234: Meredith J. C. Warren - Meredith Warren Ruins John 6

    Hold onto your communion wafers, folks! In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Meredith J. C. Warren guides Pete and Jared through eight weird verses in John 6:51-58, exploring whether or not the...

  • 2023 / 2 / 23
    [Faith] Episode 3: Anil Seth - What Is Consciousness? (and Other Easy Questions)

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, cognitive neuroscientist Anil Seth leaves no brain region unused as he joins Pete and Jared to talk about consciousness, experience, perception, what it means to be...

  • 2023 / 2 / 20
    [Bible] Episode 233: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Judges

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, our beloved book ruiner Pete brings the gavel down on Judges, examining the historical and literary context of the book and revealing the driving force of the...

  • 2023 / 2 / 16
    [Faith] Episode 2: Rhett & Jessie McLaughlin - Finding a Curious Faith

    In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Rhett and Jessie McLaughlin to talk about their own journey of shifting faith as individuals and as a married couple, what it was like...

  • 2023 / 2 / 13
    [Bible] Episode 232: David Lambert - Is the Bible “Scripture”?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with David Lambert about how scholars define “scripture,” how communities throughout history have changed the meaning and nature of biblical...

  • 2023 / 2 / 9
    [Faith] Episode 1: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - What Is Faith for Normal People?

    Welcome to Faith for Normal People, the only other God-ordained podcast on the internet—brought to you by Pete Enns and Jared Byas of The Bible for Normal People. In this episode, Pete and Jared introduce the...

  • 2023 / 2 / 6
    [Bible] Episode 231: Beth Allison Barr - Pushing Back Against Biblical Womanhood

    We’re back for the seventh season of The Bible for Normal People and we’re kicking things off with Beth Allison Barr! In this episode, Beth joins Pete and Jared to talk about the historical and cultural...

  • 2022 / 12 / 12
    Episode 230: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Pete & Jared Ruin Christmas

    We’re bringing a little bah and a little humbug to the Christmas pageant in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as Pete and Jared do their very best to ruin Christmas! Find out what Christmas means to...

  • 2022 / 12 / 5
    Episode 229: Joel Marcus - Parting of the Ways Between Judaism & Christianity

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Joel Marcus breaks down the history and intricacies of how, when, and why the Christian religion broke away from Judaism, and how that turn toward independence...

  • 2022 / 11 / 28
    Episode 228: Emilie Townes - The Wisdom of Hope (REISSUE)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Emilie Townes about womanist ethics, interpreting the Bible, and hope. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2022 / 11 / 21
    Episode 227: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Joshua

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete ruins the book of Joshua and evangelical home décor in one fell swoop by examining the historicity of the conquest narrative and the theological...

  • 2022 / 11 / 14
    Episode 226: Meredith Riedel - What is Byzantine Christianity? (And Why Should We Care?)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Meredith Riedel gives an overview of Byzantine Christianity—what it is, when it happened, how it evolved, and why Western Christians should care about it.  Show...

  • 2022 / 11 / 7
    Episode 225: Daniel Kirk - Romans Isn’t What You Think It Is

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Daniel Kirk joins Pete and Jared to explain the major themes in the book of Romans, why the Romans Road view of salvation is insufficient, and how a focus on...

  • 2022 / 10 / 31
    Episode 224: Gregory Mobley - Satan’s Biblical Roots

    Happy Halloween! Pete and Jared embrace spooky season in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as Gregory Mobley discusses the biblical roots, origin stories, and cultural myths surrounding the Satan...

  • 2022 / 10 / 24
    Episode 223: Jared Byas - Misconceptions About Deconstruction & the Bible

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared explains the philosophical concept of deconstruction, where it came from, and three misconceptions about deconstruction as related to the Bible. Show...

  • 2022 / 10 / 17
    Episode 222: Pamela Eisenbaum - Paul & Salvation

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared are joined by Jewish New Testament scholar Pamela Eisenbaum to talk about the many misunderstandings surrounding Paul, one of the most...

  • 2022 / 10 / 10
    Episode 221: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - How to Read the Bible Now That We've Ruined It

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared reflect on all the ruining they’ve been doing, what it means for how we read and connect with the Bible going forward, and how they’ve been...

  • 2022 / 10 / 3
    Episode 220: Joel Baden - The Historical David

    Are the stories written about the biblical character David fact or fiction? Find out in this episode of The Bible for Normal People as Jared, Pete, and professor Joel Baden pull back the curtain to reveal how...

  • 2022 / 9 / 26
    Episode 219: Jemar Tisby - Acknowledging Racism in the Church

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jemar Tisby joins Jared and Pete to talk about the legacy of systemic racism in the white American evangelical church, and how white Christians can practice...

  • 2022 / 9 / 19
    Episode 218: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Deuteronomy

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete ruins Deuteronomy by explaining the influence of ancient Near Eastern culture on the laws and the historical narrative of the time, while also exploring...

  • 2022 / 9 / 12
    Episode 217: Jonathan Jong - How Scientists Study Religion

    Hold onto your thinking cap, because this episode of The Bible for Normal People is going to get really, really nerdy. Pete and Jared are joined by psychologist, professor, and priest Jonathan Jong to talk...

  • 2022 / 9 / 5
    Episode 216: Rev. Dr. Angela N. Parker - The White Supremacy of Inerrancy

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Rev. Dr. Angela N. Parker joins Pete and Jared to talk about the impact of white supremacy in the field of biblical interpretation, whether we can truly read...

  • 2022 / 8 / 29
    Episode 215: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - The Center of the Hebrew Bible

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared unpack the centrality of the monarchy in the Hebrew Bible, the function of monarchy within the biblical narrative arc, and how not every story or...

  • 2022 / 8 / 15
    Episode 214: Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg - On Repentance and Repair

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jared and Pete talk with Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg about the practice of repentance and the pursuit of repair in Judaism based on five steps from the medieval...

  • 2022 / 8 / 1
    Episode 213: Amanda Held Opelt - The Honesty of Grief

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Amanda Held Opelt joins Pete and Jared to talk about how her faith was impacted by her own experience with grief, and how rituals of mourning practiced by other...

  • 2022 / 7 / 18
    Episode 212: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Numbers

    Get your calculators ready…in this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete explores the book of Numbers in all its numerical and narrative glory—census lists, marches around the tabernacle,...

  • 2022 / 7 / 4
    Episode 211: David P. Gushee - Christian Ethics & the Memory of Jesus

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with David P. Gushee about the role of the Bible in Christian ethics and how those ethics can guide our morality as global citizens...

  • 2022 / 6 / 20
    Episode 210: Sidnie White Crawford - What You Really Need to Know about the Dead Sea Scrolls

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Dr. Sidnie White Crawford joins Pete and Jared to discuss the most important manuscript find in Hebrew Bible studies and how it impacts the New Testament. Show...

  • 2022 / 6 / 6
    Episode 209: Jared Byas - Making of the Modern Mindset, Part 4

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Jared Byas concludes his four-part series exploring the shortcomings of evangelicalism’s ties to the modern mindset and how leaving the modern mindset...

  • 2022 / 5 / 30
    Episode 208: David Farrier - What's Going On With Megachurches?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, David Farrier joins Pete and Jared to discuss what he has uncovered while researching the downward spiral of megachurches. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad...

  • 2022 / 5 / 23
    Episode 207: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Respecting the Bible for What It Is (And Isn’t)

    Does the Bible address modern moral questions? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared dive into a discussion on the uniquely modern tension between an ancient text and modern...

  • 2022 / 5 / 16
    Episode 206: Dale C. Allison - Approaching the Resurrection of Jesus as a Historian

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Dale Allison joins Pete and Jared to discuss historical criticism and the resurrection. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2022 / 5 / 9
    Episode 205: Amy Kenny - My Body Is Not a Prayer Request

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Amy Kenny joins Pete and Jared to discuss what we have been taught about disability and invites us to reconsider how we think about disability being portrayed...

  • 2022 / 5 / 2
    Episode 204: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Leviticus

    We almost named this episode of The Bible for Normal People “Pete Rescues Leviticus,” because for most of you, Leviticus is ruined already. Not easily deterred, Pete Enns dives right in and helps us wrap our...

  • 2022 / 4 / 25
    Episode 203: Andre Henry - Systemic Racism in the Church

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Andre Henry joins Pete and Jared to discuss the cultural and theological underpinnings of systemic racism in the church. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad...

  • 2022 / 4 / 18
    Episode 202: Jeff Chu - Grief as a Biblical Practice (REISSUE)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jeff Chu joins Pete and Jared to discuss what the Bible has to say about grief and what grief looks like as a personal, communal, and spiritual practice. Show...

  • 2022 / 4 / 18
    Episode 202: Jeff Chu - Grief as a Biblical Practice (Reissue)

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Jeff Chu joins Pete and Jared to discuss what the Bible has to say about grief and what grief looks like as a personal, communal, and spiritual practice. Show...

  • 2022 / 4 / 11
    Episode 201: Debra Rienstra - Eco-Theology: Beyond Stewardship

    How are faith and nature interwoven? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Debra Rienstra joins Pete and Jared to discuss the value of the created world in scripture and what it looks like to care...

  • 2022 / 4 / 4
    Episode 200: Pete Enns & Jared Byas - Does the Bible Still Matter?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared celebrate their two-hundredth episode by discussing why the Bible still matters, looking at the Bible as a book of wisdom, and approaching the...

  • 2022 / 3 / 28
    Episode 199: Becca Stevens - Reimagining Scripture for a Suffering World

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Becca Stevens joins Pete and Jared to share how the embodiment of faith can be an engine toward great good in the world. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad...

  • 2022 / 3 / 21
    Episode 198: Anna Sieges - The Minor Prophets and Why We Shouldn't Call Them That

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Anna Sieges joins Pete and Jared to elaborate on the benefits of viewing the Minor Prophets as a literary whole. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices....

  • 2022 / 3 / 14
    Episode 197: Jared Byas - Making of the Modern Mindset, Part 3

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Jared Byas explores how fundamentalist evangelicalism has bought into the modern mindset in some important ways, while condemning it in other ways. Show...

  • 2022 / 3 / 7
    Episode 196: Chris Hoklotubbe - The Bible and Native American Spirituality

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Chris Hoklotubbe joins Pete and Jared to discuss the concept of the trickster, the value of learning from nature, and what a few biblical stories look like...

  • 2022 / 2 / 28
    Episode 195: Gary Rendsburg - History and the Exodus

    How does the Bible interact with history? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Gary Rendsburg joins Pete and Jared to discuss how history, epic, and theology are interwoven to create the biblical...

  • 2022 / 2 / 21
    Episode 194: Pete Enns - Staying Christian Is Hard, Isn't It?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete works through some common issues that make it hard to stay Christian and shares a few personal reasons why he stays Christian anyway. Show Notes → Learn...

  • 2022 / 2 / 14
    Episode 193: Lisa Sharon Harper - The Meaning of the Image of God

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Lisa Sharon Harper joins Pete and Jared to discuss the impact that colonization and enslavement had on Scripture and how to begin the humble business of...

  • 2022 / 2 / 7
    Episode 192: Bishop Michael Curry - Love Makes Room for Us All

    What parts of our faith are worth holding onto? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Presiding Bishop Michael Curry joins Pete and Jared to discuss ways to think differently about scripture...

  • 2021 / 12 / 13
    Episode 191: Pete & Jared - Creative Interpretation as Necessary

    In this episode, Pete & Jared discuss the inevitability of reading our own context into the Bible and how reading the Bible creatively can help connect it to our own universe. Show Notes → Learn more about...

  • 2021 / 12 / 6
    Episode 190: Austin Channing Brown - Preaching the Bible in the Black Church (Reissue)

    In this episode, Austin Channing Brown joins Pete and Jared to discuss her experience within various faith traditions and the importance of the Bible, sermons, and community within the Black church. Show...

  • 2021 / 12 / 6
    Episode 190: Austin Channing Brown - Preaching the Bible in the Black Church (REISSUE)

    In this episode, Austin Channing Brown joins Pete and Jared to discuss her experience within various faith traditions and the importance of the Bible, sermons, and community within the Black church. Show...

  • 2021 / 11 / 29
    Episode 189: Pete Enns - Faith and the New Normal

    Why is the adjustment of beliefs based on experience often misunderstood or even maligned? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete Enns explores how our formational experiences are not the enemy...

  • 2021 / 11 / 22
    Episode 188: Willie James Jennings - The Book of Acts & the Acts of the Spirit

    Isn’t Acts just about the founding of the church? In this episode, Willie James Jennings joins Pete and Jared to discuss how the book of Acts reconstitutes what it means to be the people of God. Show Notes...

  • 2021 / 11 / 14
    Episode 187: Kirsten Powers - How Grace Saves Us

    In this episode, Kirsten Powers joins Pete and Jared to discuss toxic public discourse, non-dualistic thinking, and a look at how grace might hold a different meaning than we previously imagined. Show Notes...

  • 2021 / 11 / 8
    Episode 186: Jared Byas - Making of the Modern Mindset, Part 2

    In this episode, Jared Byas explores the impact of reason and rationalism as he continues his deep dive into the origins of the modern mindset. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2021 / 11 / 1
    Episode 185: Randy Woodley - Following Jesus as a Native Traditionalist

    In this episode, Randy Woodley joins Pete and Jared to discuss the impact of dualistic thinking on theology and how Jesus can be accessed outside of scripture. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices....

  • 2021 / 10 / 25
    Episode 184: Heather Macumber - Monsters in the Bible

    What comes to mind when you think about monsters? In this episode, Heather Macumber joins Pete and Jared to discuss monster theory and how monsters are more prevalent in scripture than most people...

  • 2021 / 10 / 18
    Episode 183: Jennifer Bashaw - What Did the Crucifixion Do?

    In this week’s episode, Jennifer Bashaw joins Pete and Jared to discuss how various atonement theories attempt to explain Jesus’s death. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2021 / 10 / 11
    Episode 182: Pete & Jared - The Evolution of Adam

    Can Christianity and evolution coexist? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared discuss a path forward for Christians who accept evolution and want to take the Bible seriously. Show...

  • 2021 / 10 / 4
    Episode 181: Kate Bowler - The Prosperity Gospel & a Theology of Suffering

    In this week’s episode, Kate Bowler joins Pete and Jared to discuss how suffering can cause us to adjust what we think God is like and how harmful the prosperity gospel can be. Show Notes → Learn more about...

  • 2021 / 9 / 27
    Episode 180: Brian K. Blount - Revelation for Today

    The book of Revelation is just plain weird. For this episode, Pete and Jared sit down with Brian K. Blount to discuss how to read and understand the book of Revelation. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad...

  • 2021 / 9 / 20
    Episode 179: Paul Deal - Integrating Faith and Psychology

    On this episode, Pete and Jared sit down with Paul Deal to discuss the intersection of mental health, psychology, and faith. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • 2021 / 9 / 13
    Episode 178: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Isaiah

    In this episode of the Bible for Normal People, Pete Enns continues his habit of ruining things for everyone. Today’s topic is the book of Isaiah, and Pete shares five fun facts that biblical scholars like to...

  • 2021 / 9 / 6
    Episode 177: Obery M. Hendricks, Jr. - Social Justice & the Radical Gospel

    For this episode, Pete and Jared are joined by Obery M. Hendricks, Jr., who walks us through pervasive biblical evidence for social justice. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2021 / 8 / 23
    Episode 176: Jared Byas - The Making of the Modern Mindset, Pt. 1

    For this episode, Jared Byas takes a deep dive into the origins of the modern mindset and how understanding our own context impacts our study of the Bible. Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

  • 2021 / 8 / 9
    Episode 175: Jodi Magness - The Jesus of Archaeology

    In this episode, Pete and Jared sit down with Jodi Magness to discuss what archaeology can teach us about Jesus in his Jewish context. And also - quiches, frittatas, and toilets. Oh my! Show Notes → Support...

  • 2021 / 7 / 26
    Episode 174: Brian McLaren - The Four Stages of Faith

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared sit down with Brian McLaren to discuss stages of faith, the prevalence of doubt, and what paths to faith after doubt might look like. Show Notes...

  • 2021 / 7 / 12
    Episode 173: Cheryl B. Anderson - The Ethical Impact of Biblical Interpretation

    Can biblical interpretation have an ethical impact? Our guest this week, Cheryl B. Anderson, combines her background as a practicing attorney with her Ph.D. in Biblical studies to create a compelling...

  • 2021 / 6 / 28
    Episode 172: Pete Enns - A Whole Different Way of Reading Genesis

    In this episode, Pete looks at Genesis from an angle we’re guessing will be new to many of you. We’re going to focus on the big picture. What is Genesis as a whole about? For what purpose was it written? What...

  • 2021 / 6 / 14
    Episode 171: Ted Lewis - The Origins of God

    The word of the day is "complicated" and the nerd-o-meter is set to the max. Join us on this week's episode as Pete & Jared explore the messiness of history and the origins of Yahweh with Dr. Ted Lewis. Show...

  • 2021 / 6 / 7
    Episode 170: Kristin Kobes Du Mez - A Modern Church History of Toxic Masculinity

    Where did white Evangelical support for men like Donald Trump come from? Pete & Jared sit down with Kristin Kobes Du Mez to discuss toxic patterns of masculinity and patriarchy that have surfaced over the...

  • 2021 / 5 / 31
    Episode 169: Pete & Jared - The Bible and the "Problem of History"

    What do you do when you notice something in the Bible that doesn’t pass the muster of historical research? In this episode, Pete & Jared discuss the problem of history found within the pages of the Bible and...

  • 2021 / 5 / 24
    Episode 168: Xavier Pickett - When Did White Christian America Lose Its Mind? (REISSUE)

    In this reissued episode, Pete & Jared converse with Xavier Pickett about ways in which the Bible and the church have been shaped by hundreds of years of systemic racism and white privilege.  Show Notes...

  • 2021 / 5 / 24
    Episode 168: Xavier Pickett - When Did White Christian America Lose Its Mind? (Reissue)

    In this reissued episode, Pete & Jared converse with Xavier Pickett about ways in which the Bible and the church have been shaped by hundreds of years of systemic racism and white privilege.  Show Notes...

  • 2021 / 5 / 17
    Episode 167: Joshua Harris - A Story of Public Deconstruction

    On this episode, Joshua Harris discusses his public deconstruction and how he has wrestled with questions of accountability for harmful ideas while also making room for grace. Show Notes → Support this...

  • 2021 / 5 / 10
    Episode 166: Matthew Paul Turner - Teaching God to Our Kids

    How should we talk to our kids about God and the Bible? On this episode, Matthew Paul Turner discusses the importance of allowing children the space to explore spirituality and ask questions about God. Show...

  • 2021 / 5 / 3
    Episode 165: Stephanie Tait - Disability Theology is for Everyone

    We invited Stephanie Tait to discuss the cultural lens of ableism and how disability theology shapes the way she views God and the Bible.  Show Notes → Support this podcast at —...

  • 2021 / 4 / 26
    Episode 164: Pete Enns - Where Did Our Bible Come From?

    On this episode, Pete talks about where our Bible comes from, its messy history, and what that means for us today.  Show Notes → Support this podcast at —...

  • 2021 / 4 / 19
    Episode 163: Tripp Fuller - Thinking About Jesus Today

    We brought in Tripp Fuller, host of the podcast Homebrewed Christianity, to share his perspective on the Jesus of history and the Christ of theology and its relevancy in our lives today.  Show Notes → Support...

  • 2021 / 4 / 12
    Episode 162: Jared & Sarah Byas - Parenting in a Faith Transition

    Wondering how Jared and his wife, Sarah, have navigated parenting amidst their transitions of faith? They cover what they tell their kids about Christianity, the Bible, and how their parenting is different...

  • 2021 / 4 / 5
    Episode 161: Amanda Mbuvi - Finding Ourselves in the Stories of the Bible

    Why were the stories of the Bible written down? On this episode Amanda Mbuvi shares about how the Bible plays a role in identity formation and how that affects how we read it.  Show Notes → Support this...

  • 2021 / 3 / 29
    Episode 160: Pete and Jared - The Risk of an "Errant" Bible

    Why is Bible inerrancy so hard for people to give up? Pete and Jared dive into some possible explanations and take a look at the history of the belief that the Bible is inerrant.  Show Notes → Support this...

  • 2021 / 3 / 22
    Episode 159: Richard Elliott Friedman - Who Wrote the Pentateuch?

    We love a good discussion on the formation of the Bible. Listen in as we talk to scholar Richard Elliott Friedman about the various texts that make up the Hebrew Bible, what clues we have to date them, and...

  • 2021 / 3 / 15
    Episode 158: Maria Doerfler - Reading the Bible in Times of Crisis

    There’s many difficult stories the Bible but one people struggle with the most are those dealing with the death of children. On this episode, we are joined by Maria Doerfler who shares rich perspectives on...

  • 2021 / 3 / 8
    Episode 157: Nadia Bolz-Weber - Being a Christian in the Messiness

    We had a great conversation with Nadia Bolz-Weber about what is compelling about Christianity, why we all need to stop trying so hard, and what in the world there is to be hopeful about.  Show Notes → Support...

  • 2021 / 3 / 1
    Episode 156: Pete and Jared - Your Questions About Prayer, Marriage, White Jesus, an Angry God, and a Murky Bible

    In this episode we are answering some of the most asked questions on our Ask Pete page. We get into a lot of topics like how other cultures interpret Jesus, how normal people can study the Bible on their own,...

  • 2021 / 2 / 22
    Episode 155: Sarah Bessey - Why Bother Praying?

    Praying can feel difficult during hard times and especially after a faith deconstruction. Sarah Bessey joins us on this episode of the podcast to talk about what inspired her to write a book on prayer and...

  • 2021 / 2 / 15
    Episode 154: Amy-Jill Levine and Marc Brettler - How Jews & Christians Read the Bible Differently

    It shouldn’t be a surprise to us now that people can read the same text and walk away with vastly different meanings. On this episode of the podcast, we’re talking with Amy-Jill Levine and Marc Brettler who...

  • 2021 / 2 / 8
    Episode 153: James Kugel - Shifting Perspectives on God in the Bible

    James Kugel is back on the podcast sharing about how people during the biblical period understood God and how their views changed overtime. How does their understanding of God influence our understandings...

  • 2021 / 2 / 1
    Episode 152: Pete Enns - What Makes Christianity Different?

    We’re back with Season 5! On this episode, Pete shares what makes Christianity distinct for him. He discusses the beginning of the Jesus movement, explains how New Testament writers probably understood their...

  • 2020 / 12 / 14
    Episode 151: 2020 - Let's Not and Say We Did

    2020— What a year. We’re wrapping up the year and the fourth season of the podcast with a look back onto what we learned from this season and from the year as a whole. Show Notes → Support this podcast at —...

  • 2020 / 12 / 7
    Episode 150: Christopher Rollston - Where Does Hebrew Come From?

    This episode features linguist and professor Christopher Rollston who helps us understand the importance of studying languages when it comes to dating and understanding the Bible. We talk about other ancient...

  • 2020 / 11 / 30
    Episode 149: Dan Koch - The End Times & American Christian Culture

    Many of us have encountered a type of Christianity that preaches an impending rapture and a call to repent of our sins as soon as possible. But where did that interpretation of Christianity come from? On this...

  • 2020 / 11 / 23
    Episode 148: Pete Enns - Adam, Evangelicalism, & the Metanarrative of Evolution

    How has theology developed alongside the findings of science? On this episode, Pete is sharing his reflections on what quantum physics and the theory of evolution tell us about the Bible and how we should...

  • 2020 / 11 / 16
    Episode 147: Benjamin D. Sommer - Does God Have a Body?

    Benjamin D. Sommer is back on the podcast telling us all about his work on a biblical understanding of God’s body. He takes us through the history of thought on God’s body, the material God’s body is made out...

  • 2020 / 11 / 9
    Episode 146: Jared Byas - Rediscovering Jonah - Part 3

    Jared has been breaking down Jonah for us on his solo episodes this year and this is his last segment! He delves into what the over all message of Jonah is, what questions it leaves us with, and what it...

  • 2020 / 11 / 2
    Episode 145: Emilie Townes - The Wisdom of Hope

    We invited Emilie Townes on the podcast to talk about womanist ethics but our conversation morphed into so much more. We touched on the role of the Bible in ethics, the relevance of the Bible in our lives...

  • 2020 / 10 / 26
    Episode 144: Austen Hartke - The Bible & the Lives of Transgender Christians (REISSUE)

    In this reissued episode, Pete and Jared sit down with Austen Hartke to discuss what the Bible has to say about transgender people. They get into unexamined Bible passages, mysterious Hebrew words, and how to...

  • 2020 / 10 / 19
    Episode 143: Martha Himmelfarb - Second Temple Judaism & Apocalyptic Literature

    Getting into the Halloween spirit? Don’t miss this spooky episode talking about all things apocalypse in Second Temple Judaism! Our guest Martha Himmelfarb is an expert on the subject and she tells us all...

  • 2020 / 10 / 12
    Episode 142: Jared Byas - Rediscovering Jonah - Part 2

    This episode is the second installment of Jared’s deep dive (no pun intended) into the book of Jonah. In this episode, Jared gives us a taste of how rich this book is in metaphors and how a fuller...

  • 2020 / 10 / 5
    Episode 141: John Franke - God Is On a Mission and So Can You

    John Franke joins the podcast to discussing his new book, Missional Theology. John shares some key components of missional theology and discusses how to overcome plurality, what evangelizing looks like...

  • 2020 / 10 / 1
    BONUS Episode: Cynthia Shafer-Elliott - What Archaeologists Do & Why it Matters

    We are so excited about the Everyday Life in Ancient Israel class Cynthia is teaching for us we just had to reissue her podcast episode from back in season 2. Cynthia talks with Pete and Jared about what she...

  • 2020 / 9 / 28
    Episode 140: Paula Fredriksen - When Christians Were Jews

    What separated Judaism from the Christian movement during the Second Temple Period? In this episode, Paula Fredriksen breaks down the beginnings of the Jesus movement and how it came to flourish. She gets...

  • 2020 / 9 / 21
    Episode 139: Pete Enns - You Have Questions, Pete Has Answers

    This episode of the podcast is filled with listener question from our Ask Pete and Jared page on the website. Pete answers questions about Job, ancient Egyptian letters, the world of biblical scholarship,...

  • 2020 / 9 / 14
    Episode 138: Pete & Jared - How Love Changes the Meaning of the Bible

    What does it mean to “speak the truth in love?” On this episode we’re taking about Jared’s new book Love Matters More and what it should actually look like for Christians to interact with people they disagree...

  • 2020 / 9 / 7
    Episode 137: James Kugel - Challenging Our Assumptions About the Bible

    Ancient interpreters made all sort of assumptions about the Bible much like we do today. What do their assumptions tell us about how to interpret the Bible today? James Kugel breaks down the function of the...

  • 2020 / 8 / 24
    Episode 136: Ariel Sabar - Telling the Truth About Jesus' Wife

    Just because someone claims to hold the truth doesn't mean they actually do. On this episode, investigative journalist Ariel Sabar tells us the fascinating story of how a Harvard professor was duped into...

  • 2020 / 8 / 10
    Episode 135: Gary Anderson - How the Bible Talks About Sin

    What is sin? It’s something we talk about often but rarely take the time to define. Gary Anderson has written a book on the subject so we brought him on the show to explain it to all us normal people. He...

  • 2020 / 7 / 27
    Episode 134: Ilia Delio - Grounding God in Evolution

    On this episode, Pete and Jared discuss the intersection of faith and science with scientist and theologian Ilia Delio. They get into why these two subjects have historically been at odds and why it holds us...

  • 2020 / 7 / 13
    Episode 133: Pete Enns - The Book of Job

    What's the deal with Job? In this episode, Pete gives an overview of the book, pushes back on some readings you might have heard in the past, and points out some significant features that can help us better...

  • 2020 / 6 / 29
    Episode 132: Joe Gordon - A Conversation About Inspiration

    Joe Gordon is a professor at Johnson University in Tennessee. In this episode, we talk with him about his book Divine Scripture in Human Understanding. We discuss what it means for the Bible to be inspired...

  • 2020 / 6 / 15
    Episode 131: Pete & Jared - Did the Bible Get it Wrong?

    We’re answering some listener questions from the Ask Pete page and answering the bigger question: Did the Bible get it wrong? We talk about the return of Jesus, David being a man after God’s own heart, and if...

  • 2020 / 6 / 8
    Episode 130: Drew Hart - The Bible, Race, & White Supremacy (REISSUE)

    We’re revisiting an episode from Season 1 in which Dr. Drew G. I. Hart shares about the Bible and white supremacy. We get into what exactly white supremacy is and how it has influenced how we read the Bible...

  • 2020 / 5 / 25
    Episode 129: Brooke Prentis - Reading the Bible Through Aboriginal Eyes

    Brooke Prentis is an Aboriginal leader and CEO of a Christian organization in Australia called Common Grace. On this episode, she shares with us some Aboriginal perspectives on the Bible and how the Bible...

  • 2020 / 5 / 18
    Episode 128: Matthias Henze - The Bible & Second Temple Judaism

    What happened during the time the writings of the Old Testament stopped and the New Testament writings began? People didn’t stop writing and what they wrote helps us better understand the context of the...

  • 2020 / 5 / 11
    Episode 127: Miguel De La Torre - Diverse Voices in Biblical Scholarship

    Many of us believe that our interpretations of the Bible are generally the same as everyone else's. But does that make them them good? On this podcast episode, we talk with Professor of Social Ethics and...

  • 2020 / 5 / 4
    Episode 126: Kirsten Powers - The Journey To Grace

    In this episode, Jared and Pete are joined by political correspondent Kirsten Powers, to talk about her journey of faith, her openness to the mystery of God, and how she’s learning to treat others with a...

  • 2020 / 4 / 27
    Episode 125: Pete Enns - Big Ideas that Shaped Biblical Scholarship: Julius Wellhausen and the Pentateuch

    Biblical scholarship has grown a lot over the centuries but there are some ideas that are just so good they never go away! On this episode of the podcast, Pete looks at one of those foundational ideas: Julius...

  • 2020 / 4 / 20
    Episode 124: Yii-Jan Lin - Immigration & the Book of Revelation

    Under the hood of America, we see an interesting history of using the book of Revelation to talk about immigration. Our guest, NT scholar Yii-Jan Lin walks us through the profound impact the book of...

  • 2020 / 4 / 13
    Episode 123: Jared Byas - Rediscovering Jonah - Part 1

    In this episode Jared begins to tackle the book of Jonah by asking, “What kind of book is this?” as well as introducing the first chapter. Just because Jesus mentions Jonah does that mean we have to believe...

  • 2020 / 4 / 6
    Episode 122: Emerson Powery - The Bible as a Source of Liberation

    The writings of formerly enslaved people tell us a lot about how they viewed the Bible. We sat down with Professor Emerson Powery to talk about how the Bible was used around the institution of slavery and how...

  • 2020 / 3 / 30
    Episode 121: Pete and Jared - Pete and Jared Talk About the Afterlife

    On this week's episode, Pete and Jared are talking about the afterlife. What is it and what does the Bible say about it?  Show Notes →   Support this podcast at —...

  • 2020 / 3 / 23
    Episode 120: Jack Levison - The Spirit, Wind, & Breath of God in the Bible

    If we look under the surface, we find a fascinating conversation about the Spirit of God in the Bible. Considering the word for Spirit, Wind, and Breath of God is often the same in the Bible, how are we to...

  • 2020 / 3 / 16
    Episode 119: Xavier Ramey - Diversity, Social Justice, and the Gospel

    Dr. Martin Luther King says “All people are caught in an Inescapable network of mutuality.” So what does that mean when it comes to the gospel, the Bible, and how we navigate racial equality? In this episode,...

  • 2020 / 3 / 9
    Episode 118: Meghan Henning - Does Hell Exist?

    This week Pete & Jared talk to Meghan Henning about hell. She shares with us her knowledge of the ancient world Jesus and the New Testament writers were familiar with and how they might have understood...

  • 2020 / 3 / 2
    Episode 117: Pete Enns - Reading the Old Testament Christotelicly

    That 50 cent word describes something many Bible readers have noticed: the way the New Testament writers quote the Old often has little to do with what the Old Testament writers were actually trying to say....

  • 2020 / 2 / 24
    Episode 116: Sarah Ruden - Getting Inside the Head of Paul & Jesus

    Translating the Bible is more than just about being woodenly accurate. We’re humans after all. In this episode, Pete and Jared talk to Sarah Ruden, who talks about using our imaginations to put ourselves in...

  • 2020 / 2 / 17
    Episode 115: Alison Cook - Your Emotions Are Not Your Spiritual Enemy

    Sometimes it can be easy to forget the psychological ramifications of our faith. The way our faith shapes the language we use to talk about tragedies and sadnesses in our life can be life-giving or it can...

  • 2020 / 2 / 10
    Episode 114: Pete and Jared - How to Read the Bible in 2020

    It’s hard to know where the Bible fits into our political views, our ethical stances, and how we live out life. Pete and Jared point out how many of us might be using the Bible in disrespectful and...

  • 2020 / 2 / 3
    Episode 113: James Martin - The Gift of Imagination in Reading Scripture

    Christianity is diverse and so are all the ways Christians have read the Bible through the centuries. James Martin helps us understand a Jesuit practice of reading Scripture that engages both the head and...

  • 2020 / 1 / 27
    Season 4 Teaser

    Here's what's coming up in Season 4 of The Bible For Normal People podcast Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-bible-for-normal-people/donations Advertising Inquiries:...

  • 2019 / 12 / 16
    Episode 112: Pete and Jared - How “How the Bible Actually Works” Works

    Here in our last episode for Season 3, Pete & Jared take a deeper dive into Pete’s latest book and how we can further answer these questions, “What is the Bible and what do we do with it?”  Show Notes...

  • 2019 / 12 / 9
    Episode 111: Tom Oord - Uncontrolling Love of God

    This week, Pete & Jared sit down with Tom Oord and discuss the things God can and cannot do and how that affects our view of the world, the Bible, and salvation.   Show Notes →   Support this podcast at —...

  • 2019 / 12 / 2
    Episode 110: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus (Part 6)

    In this final episode of the Dundee Award Winning series, Pete looks at the significance and symbolism of the tabernacle, which takes up a whopping 13 chapters, and the Golden Calf episode, which threatens to...

  • 2019 / 11 / 25
    Episode 109: Megan DeFranza - The Bible and Intersex Believers

    On this episode of the Bible For Normal People, we look back to Season 1 when Pete and Jared talked with theologian Megan DeFranza on a topic that deeply affects the lives of many, but that few Christians are...

  • 2019 / 11 / 25
    Episode 109: Megan DeFranza - The Bible and Intersex Believers (REISSUE)

    On this episode of the Bible For Normal People, we look back to Season 1 when Pete and Jared talked with theologian Megan DeFranza on a topic that deeply affects the lives of many, but that few Christians are...

  • 2019 / 11 / 18
    Episode 108: Pete Wehner - Faith, Politics, & Polarization

    You may have noticed that we’re in a political season with a lot of charged rhetoric, so we decided to bring on someone who isn’t like that. Like at all. We have Pete Wehner, political commentator and...

  • 2019 / 11 / 11
    Episode 107: Cindy Wang Brandt - Raising Children in the Faith

    A lot of parents who no longer hold to the same beliefs about the Bible and God they did when they were children are left wondering, “But how do we raise our kids?” Author and speaker Cindy Wang Brandt helps...

  • 2019 / 11 / 4
    Episode 106: Jared Byas - 5 Principles for Biblical Interpretation

    When we ask, “What does this passage mean?” the answer is a little more complicated than we might expect. Jared looks at some basic principles of biblical interpretation and how they might help us better read...

  • 2019 / 10 / 28
    Episode 105: Wil Gafney - Womanist Midrash (REISSUE)

    This episode originally aired as Episode 46 on April 23, 2018 This week, Jared & Pete talk to Wil Gafney about womanist interpretation of the Bible. In their discussion, Wil brings up fascinating nuances in...

  • 2019 / 10 / 28
    Episode 105: Wil Gafney - Womanist Midrash (Reissue)

    This episode originally aired as Episode 46 on April 23, 2018 This week, Jared & Pete talk to Wil Gafney about womanist interpretation of the Bible. In their discussion, Wil brings up fascinating nuances in...

  • 2019 / 10 / 21
    Episode 104: Jeff Chu - Grief As A Biblical Practice

    This week’s guest is Jeff Chu—author, journalist, advocate, co-creator of Evolving Faith—and our topic is grief, a universal experience that is often difficult to talk about it. We experience grief when...

  • 2019 / 10 / 14
    Episode 103: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus (Part 5)

    Pete continues his award-winning, mind-bending—almost surreal—series on the book of Exodus. In this episode he looks the laws in chapters 20-24, namely the 10 Commandments and the so-called “Book of the...

  • 2019 / 10 / 7
    Episode 102: Jonathan Martin - Pentecostalism as Mysticism

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Jonathan Martin about the beauty of Pentecostalism, the value of being taught to listen to the Holy Spirit from a young age,...

  • 2019 / 9 / 30
    Episode 101: Andrew Perriman - Does the New Testament Predict the Future?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Andrew Perriman about the eschatology found in the Bible and how history helps us understand these apocalyptic texts.   Show...

  • 2019 / 9 / 23
    Episode 100: Pete & Jared on Genesis

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk about the themes in their newly upgraded book: Genesis for Normal People! They give us a taste of the multifaceted nature of...

  • 2019 / 9 / 16
    Episode 99: Jennifer Knust - The Bible As A Living Document

    This week Pete & Jared talk with Jennifer Knust.   Show Notes → Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-bible-for-normal-people/donations Advertising Inquiries:...

  • 2019 / 9 / 9
    Episode 98: Pete Holmes - Pete Holmes Talks About Comedy, Sex, & God

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, actor, comedian, and enlightened guru Pete Holmes joins Pete & Jared to talk about his interesting journey of faith and the importance of moving from...

  • 2019 / 9 / 2
    Episode 97: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus: Part 4

    In this episode, Pete continues his deep dive into the book of Exodus covering chapters 14-19: the departure from Egypt and three-month journey to Mt. Sinai.  Show Notes → Support this podcast at —...

  • 2019 / 8 / 26
    Episode 96: Jared Byas - Christian Ethics

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Jared responds to Skillet lead singer, John Copper, and his public statement, "What in God's Name is Happening in Christianity?" Jared unpacks Christian...

  • 2019 / 8 / 12
    Episode 95: Cheryl Bridges Johns - The Bible & Women’s Spirituality

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with theologian and professor Dr. Cheryl Bridges Johns about how feminism has changed over the years and the importance of both...

  • 2019 / 7 / 29
    Episode 94: Pete & Jared - Do We Know God is Good From the Bible?

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared tackle the question: Do we know God is good from the Bible? If you have a question for Pete & Jared, submit it on the Ask Pete page of...

  • 2019 / 7 / 15
    Episode 93: Keesmaat & Walsh - Resisting Empire in the Book of Romans

    This week Biblical Scholar Dr. Sylvia Keesmaat and Theologian Dr. Brian Walsh talk about what Paul was up to in the book of Romans. We visit topics like salvation and politics and how maybe those words don’t...

  • 2019 / 7 / 1
    Episode 92: AJ Levine - Jesus, Judaism, & Christianity (REISSUE)

    On this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, we look back to our time with Dr. Amy-Jill Levine on understanding Jesus is his Jewish context. Levine is University Professor of New Testament and...

  • 2019 / 6 / 17
    Episode 91: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus (Part 3)

    Pete continues his award-winning (his cat seems to like it) and mind-altering series on Exodus by diving into chapters 5-13: Moses and Aaron’s first confrontation with Pharaoh (which did and did not go well)...

  • 2019 / 6 / 3
    Episode 90: Richard Rohr - The (Biblical) Universal Christ

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Richard Rohr about the (biblical) universal Christ and how this concept of Christ can expand our understanding of ourselves,...

  • 2019 / 5 / 27
    Episode 89: Pete and Jared - David’s Sordid Past: This Ain’t No Kids Story

    In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared take a close look at the call of David and the battle with Goliath (1 Samuel 16-17) to show how these biblical stories already portray...

  • 2019 / 5 / 20
    Episode 88: Rachel Held Evans - Reading The Bible Creatively

    This week’s episode with Rachel Held Evans is among her last podcast interviews, recorded 2 months before her untimely passing on May 4. We offer this episode, unedited, in Rachel’s honor and as a testimony...

  • 2019 / 5 / 13
    Episode 87: Robert Alter - The Art of Translating the Bible

    Robert Alter has spent most of his life committed to studying the Bible and the last two decades creating an entirely new translation of the Old Testament. Pete and Jared talk about some of the insights he...

  • 2019 / 5 / 7
    Episode 86: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus (Part 2)

    Pete continues his series in Exodus chapters 3 and 4. God reveals his plan to use Moses to deliver the Israelites from Egypt and Moses does everything he can think of to get out of it. He finally gets on...

  • 2019 / 4 / 29
    Episode 85: Austen Hartke - The Bible & The Lives of Transgender Christians

    Austen Hartke shares his journey of being a transgender Christian and discusses how the Bible might speak to the inclusion of all people into the people of God. LINKS "Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of...

  • 2019 / 4 / 22
    Episode 84: Jared Byas - Paul is Frustrating: On Fornication & Wives Obeying Husbands in Colossians

    Why does Paul say there are no longer slaves but then turns around and tells slaves to obey their masters? What gives? Do wives need to submit to their husbands just because Paul says so? Geez, Paul can be so...

  • 2019 / 4 / 15
    Episode 83: Judy Stack - The Gospel of Matthew on Integrity & Hypocrisy

    What is Matthew all about? Why does it look the way it does? In this episode Judy Stack takes us to school and helps us to see the Gospel in a new...

  • 2019 / 4 / 8
    Episode 82: Linda Kay Klein - Breaking Free From Purity Culture

    Having grown up being told her body was bad, Linda Kay Klein was on a mission to hear from women about their own experiences with Purity Culture. In this episode we talk about what the Bible has to say about...

  • 2019 / 4 / 1
    Episode 81: Pete & Jared - Truth is Subjective . . . Even in the Bible

    When people find out that the Bible is ancient, ambiguous, and diverse, they often ask, "Is the Bible true then?" Pete and Jared dive into the topic and talk about how truth–in the Bible–is...

  • 2019 / 3 / 25
    Episode 80: Jonathan Walton - Reading the Bible Through the Lens of Love

    What does it mean to remain faithful to the Bible but also have a moral imagination that might extend beyond the Bible? How can that be done? We talk with Jonathan Walton about how he connects those dots and...

  • 2019 / 3 / 18
    Episode 79: Austin Channing Brown - Preaching the Bible in the Black Church

    This week on The Bible for Normal People, we have Austin Channing Brown as our guest. She shares about her experience growing up in various churches and what we can learn from black churches - especially when...

  • 2019 / 3 / 11
    Episode 78: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Exodus (Part 1)

    There’s a lot more going on in the book of Exodus than what you’ve seen on the big screen or heard in church. More than a story of deliverance, Exodus is a subtle literary creation that contains many...

  • 2019 / 3 / 4
    Episode 77: Elizabeth Enns Petters - Anxiety in the Life of Faith

    Anxiety in the life of faith is a conversation that needs to happen more often. Elizabeth Enns Petters talks with us about her journey and how her old views on the Bible contributed to her anxiety and how her...

  • 2019 / 2 / 25
    Episode 76: Xavier Pickett - So When Did White Christian America Lose Its Mind?

    In this episode, Pete & Jared talk to Xavier Pickett about the Bible and slavery, the Bible and race, and the importance of theologian James Cone.   RESOURCES Reformed Blacks of America "The Civil War as a...

  • 2019 / 2 / 18
    Episode 75: Rhonda Burnette-Bletsch - The Bible & Film

    We talk often about how the Bible isn’t opposed to culture but is deeply embedded in it. Rhonda Burnette-Bletsch shows us how true that is in film by walking us through a few popular movies and how they...

  • 2019 / 2 / 11
    Episode 74: Pete & Jared - God’s Children Tell the Story

    All human beings are encultured creatures and limited by their humanity—as were the Biblical writers, and evidence for that jumps out at us at every page. The raw and limiting humanity of Scripture is to be...

  • 2019 / 2 / 4
    Episode 73: Propaganda - What Does Christian Art Even Mean?

    Hip Hop artist Propaganda joins Pete and Jared for the season 3 opener and shares some deep—and we mean deep—thoughts about the music industry, artistic integrity, and what being Christian in all that means...

  • 2019 / 1 / 28
    Season 3 Teaser

    Here's a sneak peek of what's coming in Season 3 of The Bible For Normal People podcast.   http://www.thebiblefornormalpeople.com https://peteenns.com https://www.patreon.com/thebiblefornormalpeople Support...

  • 2018 / 12 / 17
    Episode 72: What Is the Bible & What Do We Do with It: Season 2 Recap

    In this episode, Jared and Pete look back at all of their guests in Season 2 to talk about language, history, and how personal experiences can't help but affect how we read the Bible. All in the effort to ask...

  • 2018 / 12 / 10
    Episode 71: Brad Jersak - The Bible And Orthodox Faith

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to Brad Jersak about how Orthodoxy views the Bible, and some other things, and how those differ from Evangelicalism.   Resources mentioned in this episode: "The Mirror of...

  • 2018 / 12 / 3
    Episode 70: Pete Enns - TGC Doesn’t Really Get Progressive Christianity and Atheism

    In this episode, Pete responds to an article from The Gospel Coalition entitled, "3 Beliefs Some Progressive Christians and Atheists Share." He takes issue with the harmful rhetoric that polarizes...

  • 2018 / 11 / 26
    Episode 69: Daniel Kirk - Five Things You Need to Know About the Gospel of Mark

    In this episode, Pete and Jared speak with Daniel Kirk about the Gospel of Mark. Mark's gospel goes to great lengths to provide unparalleled detail and symbolism that get more and more meaningful the deeper...

  • 2018 / 11 / 19
    Episode 68: Trey Pearson - Hey Jesus

    In this episode, Pete & Jared speak with Trey Pearson, former lead singer of the popular Christian band Everyday Sunday. Two years ago, Trey came out publicly and lost the support of his record label, church...

  • 2018 / 11 / 12
    Episode 67: Jonathan Merritt - Re-imagining Sacred Speech

    In this episode, Pete & Jared talk to Jonathan Merritt about the language of scripture, how it's changed over the years and how our interpretation and understanding must adapt to fully appreciate what the...

  • 2018 / 11 / 5
    Episode 66: Jared Byas - The Book of Jeremiah

    In this episode, Jared takes us into the book of Jeremiah and delves into some of the historical and cultural signifigance of the text.   A Commentary on Jeremiah: Exile and Homecoming by Walter...

  • 2018 / 10 / 29
    Episode 65: Kent Sparks - Where Did the Israelites Come From?

    In this episode from Season 1, Jared and Pete talk to Dr. Kent Sparks about the origins of the Israelites. Along the way they get into the nature of the Bible, the nature of the Christian faith, fundamental...

  • 2018 / 10 / 22
    Episode 64: Kevin Makins - Reading the Bible Toward Unity Not Uniformity

    This week Pete & Jared sit down with Kevin Makins, founding pastor of Eucharist Church in Hamilton, Ontario. They talk about community, how he reads the Bible and how it informs the culture of his faith...

  • 2018 / 10 / 15
    Episode 63: Pete Enns - What Does the Bible Have to Say about Politics—American or Otherwise?

    What does the Bible have to say about politics? Nothing, really. On the other hand, a lot—but not the way many tend to think. Rather than supporting a political agenda, the biblical story challenges us to...

  • 2018 / 10 / 8
    Episode 62: Brent Strawn - A Gentle Reminder that the Old Testament is Part of Our Bible and You Can't Avoid It

    This week, Jared & Pete talk to Brent Strawn about the Old Testament. They discuss some of the common criticisms of the Old Testament and how the modern Church has over-emphasized the New Testament much to...

  • 2018 / 10 / 1
    Episode 61: Pete & Jared - Creeds, Confessions & Statements of Belief

    In this episode, Pete & Jared discuss the value that creeds have in shaping the way we practice our faith. And how they can sometimes fall short, as demonstrated by the modern Statement on Social Justic & The...

  • 2018 / 9 / 24
    Episode 60: Mark Smith - Who Is Yahweh & Where Did Yahweh Come From?

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to Mark Smith about the origin of Yahweh and how the term was understood in the first century.   RESOURCES: The Early History of God The Origins of Biblical...

  • 2018 / 9 / 17
    Episode 59: Jared Byas - How to Talk to People You Disagree With

    In this episode, Jared tackles the question of how to engage with people that believe differently that we do. Many times we're guilty of shutting down the conversation and alienating people with opposing...

  • 2018 / 9 / 3
    Episode 58: Bill Schniedewind - When and Why the Bible Was Written

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to William M. Schniedewind, professor of Near Eastern Languages & Cultures at UCLA. They discuss the challenges of accurately capturing the oral tradition of the Hebrew...

  • 2018 / 8 / 13
    Episode 57: LIVE from Wild Goose

    The Bible for Normal People podcast LIVE from the Wild Goose festival   web http://www.thebiblefornormalpeople.com https://peteenns.com     Patreon https://www.patreon.com/thebiblefornormalpeople     Wild...

  • 2018 / 8 / 6
    Episode 56: Pete Enns - Evangelicals and the Problem of the Old Testament

    In this episode, Pete Enns unpacks some of the problems presented by the Bible   additional resources mentioned in this episode: Benjamin D. Sommer, "Revelation & Authority" Benjamin D. Sommer, "Jewish...

  • 2018 / 7 / 23
    Episode 55: Rachel Held Evans - Unraveling and Re-Raveling the Bible (from Season 1)

    In this reissue from Season 1, Jared and Pete talk to Rachel Held Evans on wrestling with doubt, how women are portrayed in the Bible and loving the scriptures even through personal doubt and...

  • 2018 / 7 / 9
    Episode 54: Jared & Pete - Q & A

    In this episode, Jared & Pete answer questions submitted from The Bible For Normal People community.   resources mentioned in this episode: The New Interpreter's Study Bible The HarperCollins Study Bible...

  • 2018 / 6 / 25
    Episode 53: Sarah Bessey - Connecting The Holy Spirit & The Holy Bible

    In this episode, Pete & Jared talk with Sarah Bessey about her background in the Word of Faith movement, her deconstruction, and her journey to finding freedom in the Scriptures as she learned to read and...

  • 2018 / 6 / 11
    Episode 52: Pete Enns - Ecclesiastes

    In this episode, Pete takes a look at 9 things you need to know to get the somber book of Ecclesiastes. He cautions us against an optimistic reading as the author intends to question everything—even God....

  • 2018 / 5 / 28
    Episode 51: Jamie Wright - Jesus, Justice & the Mission Field

    In this episode, Pete and Jared talk with Jamie Wright, whose experience as a missionary in Costa Rica had led her to question the church, missions and evangelicalism all while retaining her deep love for and...

  • 2018 / 5 / 21
    Episode 50: Rob Bell - What is the Bible?

    )In this episode, Jared & Pete talk with Rob Bell about his new book, "What is the Bible" and his own evolution in his thinking about the Bible [re-broadcast of Episode 1 from March 20, 2017]   The Bible for...

  • 2018 / 5 / 14
    Episode 49: Pete & Jared - Critical Thinking

    In this episode, Pete & Jared define critical thinking and unpack what it means to read the Bible critically. They suggest that a "God said it, that settles it" approach to scripture may not factor in the...

  • 2018 / 5 / 7
    Episode 48: Jeffrey Stackert - Who Wrote the Pentateuch?

    In this episode, Pete & Jared speak with Jeffrey Stackert about the origins of the Pentateuch, or the first five books of the Old Testament. Rather than looking at the books as separate works written by...

  • 2018 / 4 / 30
    Episode 47: Audrey Assad - Deconverting From Certainty

    In this episode, Pete & Jared speak with recording artist Audrey Assad about her music, her theology, and the shift from her conservative fundamentalist roots to...

  • 2018 / 4 / 23
    Episode 46: Wil Gafney - Womanist Midrash

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to Wil Gafney about the Womanist interpretation of the Bible. In their discussion, she brings out fascinating nuances in the text and challenges the predominantly...

  • 2018 / 4 / 16
    Episode 45: Pete Enns - Romans for Normal People

    In this episode, Pete (joined by his cat Marmalade) shares 10 things essential to understanding the book of Romans. He's quick to point out a number of varying opinions about this important letter and...

  • 2018 / 4 / 9
    Episode 44: Craig Allert - Where Did the New Testament Come From?

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to Craig Allert about how the canon of scripture was curated. They also discuss the doctrine of "sola scriptura" and how the intertestimental books can be beneficial in...

  • 2018 / 4 / 2
    Episode 43: Jared Byas - Is the Bible True?

    This week Jared walks us through the ways in which the Bible is true and in some ways untrue. He'll start by unpacking what we mean when we talk about truth and give us some helpful insights into how we can...

  • 2018 / 3 / 26
    Episode 42: Barbara Brown Taylor - How the Bible is Curated

    In this episode, Jared & Pete talk to author, teacher and Episcopal priest Barbara Brown Taylor. They discuss the many different stages and "human fingerprints" involved in getting the Bible from the original...

  • 2018 / 3 / 19
    Episode 41: William Paul Young - Reimagining the God of the Bible

    In this episode, Pete & Jared talk to William Paul Young, author of the NY Times bestselling book and feature film, "The Shack." Young describes his thought process behind his controversial portrayal of God...

  • 2018 / 3 / 12
    Episode 40: Richard Rohr - A Contemplative Look at The Bible

    On this week's episode we have Fr. Richard Rohr to talk about a contemplative approach to the Bible. [re-broadcast from March 26, 2017 (Episode 2)] Support this podcast at —...

  • 2018 / 3 / 5
    Episode 39: Understanding Deuteronomy & the Story of Israel's Kings

    In this episode, Pete and Jared discuss Deuteronomy, the so-called “Deuteronomistic History,” and why God in these books is so over-the-top angry most of the...

  • 2018 / 2 / 26
    Episode 38: Peter Rollins - The Bible as a Sacred Object

    On this episode, we talk with Peter Rollins about how Christians have made the Bible (along with their views of God) into a "sacred object.” And, spoiler alert: that's actually not a good thing. Support this...

  • 2018 / 2 / 19
    Episode 37: Cynthia Shafer-Elliott - What Archaeologists Do & Why It Matters

    Archaeologist Cynthia Shafer-Elliott turns a 2D Bible into a 3D picture by digging up artifacts from everyday ancient Israelite life. These were real people with real habits and customs that we never really...

  • 2018 / 2 / 12
    Episode 36: Pete Enns - 7 Things You Need to Know about How the Book of Proverbs Works

    In this episode, Pete Enns works through 7 big-picture issues that help us see what Proverbs is all about and why the idea of Wisdom is such an absolutely central and vital biblical concept that many know...

  • 2018 / 2 / 5
    Episode 35: Brian McLaren - The Bible As A Weapon

    Jared & Pete talk with Brian McLaren about the dangers of a "weaponized Bible" and how our own bias and interpretation may cause us to reach some incomplete conclusions Support this podcast at —...

  • 2018 / 1 / 29
    Episode 34: Jen Hatmaker - Changing Your Mind About the Bible: A Survivor's Guide

    In this season 2 opener, Pete & Jared talk with Jen Hatmaker about what can happen, emotionally and relationally, when you change your mind about the Bible. And how to survive it with your faith...

  • 2018 / 1 / 23
    Season 2 Teaser

    Here's a glimpse of what's coming in season 2 of The Bible for Normal People, featuring Jen Hatmaker, Barbara Brown Taylor, William Paul Young, Brian McLaren, and Cynthia Shafer-Elliot. Support this podcast...

  • 2017 / 12 / 18
    Episode 33: Pete and Jared - What Is The Bible & What Do We Do With It?

    Season 1 wrap-up. Pete and Jared reflect on the first season of guests and topics and how they helped inform the big questions that drive this podcast. Season 2 is coming late January or early...

  • 2017 / 12 / 11
    Episode 32: Carolyn Custis James - Moving Beyond Patriarchy

    On this episode, Pete and Jared speak with Carolyn Custis James. Carolyn is an award-winning author who thinks deeply about what it means to be a female follower of Jesus in a postmodern world. Support this...

  • 2017 / 12 / 4
    Episode 31: The Bible For Normal People: LIVE From Penn State University

    In our continuing effort to corrupt the minds of college students (because college students don't already have currupt minds), Pete and Jared recently took a road trip to Penn State to record an episode of...

  • 2017 / 11 / 27
    Episode 30: Pete Enns - Taking a Shot at Divine Violence

    On this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete Enns—without any adult supervision whatsoever—gives his own take on divine violence, specificially: the Flood story, the curses in Deuteronomy 28, and, of...

  • 2017 / 11 / 20
    Episode 29: Anthony Le Donne - The Gospels as Memories of Jesus

    On this episode, Pete and Jared speak to New Testament scholar Anthony Le Donne about The Gospels as memories of Jesus rather than strictly speaking "historical" accounts. Le Donne is the author of several...

  • 2017 / 11 / 13
    Episode 28: Greg Boyd - Jesus & Divine Violence

    The week’s guest is pastor and author Greg Boyd, and our topic is how the crucifixion of Jesus helps us see divine violence in the Old Testament from a fresh angle. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 11 / 6
    Episode 27: Pete and Jared - Authority, Revelation, and Inspiration

    On this week's episode, Pete and Jared riff with great eloquence and profundity on three big words that come up sooner or later whenever you start talking about the Bible, especially when you start thinking...

  • 2017 / 10 / 30
    Episode 26: Drew Hart - The Bible, Race, and White Supremacy

    On this episode, Pete and Jared speak with Drew Hart about race and the Bible. Hart is assistant professor of theology at Messiah College, author of Trouble I’ve Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views...

  • 2017 / 10 / 23
    Episode 25: Jared Byas - Jonah

    On this week's episode, Jared digs deep into that theologically deep, literarily complex, and definitely not "children's story," the book of Jonah. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 10 / 16
    Episode 24: Nyasha Junior - Womanist Biblical Interpretation

    This week's episode looks at Womanist Biblical Interpretation with Pete and Jared’s guest Nyasha Junior, assistant professor in the department of religion at Temple University in Philadelphia. She writes,...

  • 2017 / 10 / 9
    Episode 23: Beverly Gaventa - What is The Book of Romans Trying To Do?

    This week, Jared and Pete speak with Beverly Gaventa. Beverly is Distinguished Professor of New Testament Interpretation at Baylor University and Helen H.P. Manson Professor of New Testament Literature and...

  • 2017 / 10 / 2
    Episode 22: Pete Enns - 5 Things Jesus Wants You to Know about the Adam Story

    In this week's episode, Pete Enns lays out 5 things to keep in mind when reading the Adam story that will challenge your preconceptions, offer fresh points of view, and likely turn our entire political...

  • 2017 / 9 / 25
    Episode 21: Jon D. Levenson - Resurrection in the Hebrew Bible

    On this episode, Pete and Jared talk with Hebrew Bible scholar and theologian Jon D. Levenson about where the idea of resurrection shows up in the Hebrew Bible and early Judaism, what it means when it does,...

  • 2017 / 9 / 18
    Episode 20: Diana Butler Bass - Reading the Bible as an Experience & Relationship

    This week Pete and Jared talk with speaker, author, and theologian Diana Butler Bass about her love for the Bible that has led her beyond code words and conventions to something deeper and more spiritually...

  • 2017 / 9 / 11
    Episode 19: Megan DeFranza - The Bible and Intersex Believers

    On this episode of the Bible For Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with theologian Megan DeFranza (actually, Megan educates us) on a topic that affects deeply the lives of many, but that few Christians even...

  • 2017 / 8 / 27
    Episode 18: Jared Byas - Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally

    This week, Jared Byas takes on his first solo episode. Since he's a plebeian and doesn't have his own Wikipedia page (unlike Pete), he begins with a little autobiography and the recurring theme of taking the...

  • 2017 / 8 / 14
    Episode 17: Denis Lamoureux - The Bible, Evolution, & Christian Faith

    This week on The Bible for Normal People, Pete and Jared speak to Denis Lamoureux on a topic that never seems to go away. Lamoureux is associate professor of science and religion at St. Joseph’s College in...

  • 2017 / 7 / 31
    Episode 16: Ellen Davis - What is the Practical Value of the Old Testament?

    On this episode, Pete and Jared talk with Ellen Davis, Amos Ragan Kearns Professor of Bible and Practical Theology at Duke Divinity School, about the value of the Old Testament for Christians.   Support this...

  • 2017 / 7 / 17
    Episode 15: Brian Zahnd - Violence in the Bible and What to Do with It

    On this week's episode, Pete and Jared speak with Brian Zahnd about violence in the Bible. Brian Zahnd is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church (Saint Joseph, MO), and he writes, blogs, and...

  • 2017 / 7 / 3
    Episode 14: Matthew Vines - The Bible and The Gay Christian

    On this episode of the Bible For Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with Matthew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian, about the complexities of biblical interpertation surrounding human...

  • 2017 / 6 / 19
    Episode 13: Marc Brettler - On Being a Jewish Biblical Scholar

    On this episode, Pete and Jared talk with Marc Brettler on the conversation between the insights biblical scholarship, Jewish tradition, and the nature of the Bible. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 6 / 5
    Episode 12: Pete Enns and Jared Byas - Faith and Doubt: No, You're Not the Only One

    On this episode, Pete and Jared discuss how doubt in the life of faith is normal, biblical, and spiritually beneficial. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 5 / 29
    Episode 11: Benjamin D. Sommer - Jewish Views on the Bible

    On this week's epsiode, Jared and Pete speak with Ben Sommer, professor of Bible at the Jewish Theological Seminary (NYC). Christians have A LOT to learn from Jews about how their Bible works.   Support this...

  • 2017 / 5 / 22
    Episode 10: Pete Enns - The Israelites Believed in Many Gods.

    In this week’s episode, Pete Enns explores "monolatry," the ancient Israelite belief that many gods existed but only one God, Yahweh, was worthy of worship. The ancient Israelites were not monotheists, and...

  • 2017 / 5 / 15
    Episode 9: Daniel Kirk - Understanding The Human Jesus

    New Testament scholar Daniel Kirk joins us this week to discuss the humanity of Jesus and why that shouldn't be obscured.  Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 5 / 8
    Episode 8: Kent Sparks - Where Did the Israelites Come From?

    On this week's episode Pete and Jared talk with historian and Old Testament professor Kent Sparks about the mysterious origins of the Israelites. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 5 / 1
    Episode 7: Pete Enns and Jared Byas - Teaching the Bible to Your Children

    On this week's episode Jared and Peter talk about their experiences with the challenge of teaching the Bible to children.  Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 4 / 24
    Episode 6: AJ Levine - Jesus, Judaism, and Christianity

    On this week's episode of The Bible for Normal People, we speak with Amy-Jill Levine on understanding Jesus is his Jewish context. Levine is University Professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies at...

  • 2017 / 4 / 17
    Episode 5: Mike McHargue - That Topic that Isn't Going Anywhere Anytime Soon: Science and the Bible.

    On this week's episode, we talk with Mike McHargue about science and faith. Mike is the author of Finding God in The Waves and the host of two popular podcasts, The Liturgist Podcast and Ask Science...

  • 2017 / 4 / 10
    Episode 4: Walter Brueggemann - Resurrecting the Bible in The Mainline Church

    This week's podcast is a discussion of the state of the Bible in the mainline church with Old Testament scholar and theologian Walter Brueggemann. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 4 / 3
    Episode 3: Rachel Held Evans - Unraveling and Re-Raveling the Bible

    On this week's episode, we speak with Rachel Held Evans on unraveling and re-raveling the Bible. Rachel has written three best-selling books exploring her evolving journey of faith. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 3 / 27
    Episode 2: Richard Rohr - A Contemplative Look at The Bible

    On this week's episode we have Fr. Richard Rohr to talk about a contemplative approach to the Bible.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-bible-for-normal-people/donations Advertising...

  • 2017 / 3 / 20
    Episode 1: Rob Bell - What Is The Bible?

    On this week's episode we talk to Rob Bell. He is the author of the upcoming book What Is The Bible? and the controversial New York Times Best-Seller Love Wins. Support this podcast at —...

  • 2017 / 3 / 13
    Introduction, with Pete Enns and Jared Byas

    This is the introduction to Bible for Normal People: The Only God Ordained Podcast on The Internet. Serious Talk About the Sacred Book with Pete Enns and Jared Byas. Support this podcast at —...